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LLI Not MLM? Its Direct Sales, But No Selling Required! What?

Today while doing some research and trying to stay current with the Liberty League International events, I came across a piece that was interesting.  This was actually a post on a site kind of like this one; it was an older post but still showed an interesting thought process of a LLI member. 

On the site there was some discussion as to whether LLI was multi level marketing or not.  That’s about a no-brainer but here is what one LLI member said as to why it’s not MLM.  They stated it was direct sales because the person buys the product from you and then you pass up the money for the overhead and cost.  And because you don’t wait on the company to send you money for your sales, thus not MLM.  Here is the definition of MLM; Multi-level marketing (MLM), also known as Network Marketing, is a business-distribution model that allows a parent company to market its products directly to consumers by means of relationship referrals and direct selling.

I truly hope that since that post that LLI has trained their members with a better canned response than that.  It’s pretty clear that this entire business opportunity seems to operate in gray areas of the law and is structured to benefit the maximum to established members while not being deemed illegal. Structured in such a way to get by without being legally defined or classified a scam.

  
In my opinion it lacks a tangible product, unless you want to call a couple cd’s and a binder a tangible product.  A product of which a similar can be found for less than a hundred dollars at any local bookstore.  This may be what one commenter was referencing in a past post about “sick and tired of hearing get it at Barns and Noble”.  Maybe we should say it lacks the type of tangible product one should receive for the money being spent.

LLI makes the claim on every one of its member sites “no selling required” along with make “5-15k a week”.  How do you really think you’re going to make that kind of money not selling something?  Think about it.  Some say this is to take the worry off prospective members so they will join, because at that point, they don’t care if you succeed and recruit new people, they just want to sell you tickets to the next conference.  This will probably set you back 8-13 thousand dollars if you are in the United States, more if you are in another country then you have to figure exchange rates.  Another thing they don’t mention. 

So is it direct sales or MLM? In my opinion and by definition, its both.  They claim no purchase necessary to become a member, just a $49.95 fee.  You just have to “pass up” your first 5 sales.  However they claim, it’s going to be hard to sell if you don’t know the “product” you are selling.  So you buy one, then you are only required to pass up two.  Strange all this talk of selling when they say it not sales.  Even stranger are LLI members passionately defending its “direct sales”, but no selling required stated on their websites.  By definition, its definitely MLM.  The problem seems that LLI preys upon its own members for its income, with pressure to attend conferences for large sums of money.

Research shows there are a select few within LLI that do quite well on this program.  It seems that it was built to do just that.  There are companies and services created by LLI founders and major players, in place at a charge to members to use, that in turn, send profits back again to the same people.  LLI has a reputation so dirty I truly am surprised it’s been used so long.  I do make one prediction…evolution.  It’s happened before, we look for it again.  What will it become next?

Sources: Research is gathered from sources all over the internet as well as current and former LLI members.


“The Secret”

I noticed on one of the Liberty League International advisors recruitment site, a quote that actually gives an inside peak of at least part what they may offer.  It was also revealed by a commenter a few weeks ago that said “he was sick of hearing people can just go to Barnes and Noble and read the book”.  The quote on the LLI site said, “We use the principles of “The Secret” and teach you to apply them in life and business. 

“The Secret”…  Just what is the secret some of you may ask?  The Secret is a book written by Rhonda Byrne.  The book talks about the law of attraction and how we control our own destiny.  I think anyone would agree with the fact we control our own destiny.  But the overall fundamentals of the book leave me wondering.  The author tells of how if you want something, you need to simply put in an order to the universe.

Can I really ask the universe to give me something and imagine that I have and it becomes reality?  I truly believe in the power of thought when it comes to the body and unlocking capabilities most never do.  I struggle to believe that it will put money in my bank account just because I ask it to be there.  I think it’s up to me and my own creative mind to generate the streams of income that will put money in my account.  Not to ask and hope for a hand out from the universe.

Do people who have misfortune happen to them because they asked for it?  I wouldn’t think someone put in an order for Mother Nature to destroy the town they live in, or bring famine to an entire country.  Did the co-founders of Liberty League put in the order for the Arizona Attorney General to bring the decision for the fine and regulations brought against them?  I doubt it.

It is an interesting book.  I think it would be recommended that anyone read it before joining an opportunity that someone is going to coach you based on the principals with in the book.  The book is much less expensive than coaching programs, seminars, or conventions in Hawaii.  If you believe in the principals written with in, then at that time you may explore applying the ideas in a business/money making opportunity.

If pressure is put on you because you want to first spend $20 for a book before spending over a thousand to have someone tell you about the book, be alarmed! 

I personally do not know how in depth the teachings of “The Secret” are used in the LLI program.  Some say a little, some say a lot.  It is obviously something that is touched on anyway as its written on the website.  You can find out a lot of information on “The Secret” on the internet for free, I would at the very least, do some research and make sure this is in line with your own beliefs before having someone tell you what to believe.  Free thinkers remember!  My opinion is, “The Secret” holds some interesting theories but more time and research is needed to determine its effectiveness.  We would love to hear your experiences using the teachings of “The Secret”.

I wanted to add an afterthought to this after I posted it. I want to be clear that this site is not putting down or mocking those that believe in the teachings of “The Secret”. This isn’t a negative post about the teachings. I guess I think of it like this…Believing in the teachings would almost be like having faith in your religion, assuming you are a religious person. Believing in your religion you are putting your faith in a theology that’s not totally proven. There isn’t any really hard core evidence of “The Secret” living up fully to all of its claims. But it’s good to have faith and it’s good to have things to have faith in. Just remember that you’re not charged large sums of money to go to church or to form your own opinion while taking in information. Don’t let people take your money to tell you how to think, that’s my point.

LLI Member Seeking Loan For Hawaii Trip

I recently read a post from Scott Bedford, a Liberty League member with the site homebizboom.net.  It was posted on the Liberty League Life web site, a Tony Rush venture.  Basically he made a post on the site asking for money to get him to the Liberty League gathering in Hawaii.  $12,000 was the amount he is asking for.  $12,000 to attend a Liberty League event?  And they say its not expensive.  He talks of getting credit card limits raised, or taking out loans, but is not afraid to just beg from strangers either.  He comes across to me as one that my be not be thinking clearly and blinded by propaganda.  I’m not sure.

Our independent research team tell us he joined with LLI in 2007, and became qualified in mid 2008.  His sales have been dismal.  He apparently isn’t making the money that LLI makes you think you will.  And it doesn’t seem any of his wealthy advisors or colleagues want to step up and help him either.  I wonder how for in debt he will go before he realizes what’s going on.

To contribute to this guys bad fortune, there are others encouraging him to continue his quest and stay positive.  Here is the link to the post, http://libertyleaguelife.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=1137491%3ATopic%3A65666.  Truely a sad story in my opinion, and a great display of the presure to purchase the products.

Liberty League International Class Action Complaint Filed

Here is an additional post about Liberty League International and the Class action lawsuit filed against them.  I realize one member has already made a valuable post on this subject but I just wanted to add a post from the admin  and end it with some personal thoughts.

On July 25 2008, A class action complaint was filed against Liberty League International in the United Stated District Court in California.  The plaintiffs are listed as Liberty League International LLC, and Arizona Corporation,  Beyond Freedom Publishing LLC, an Arizona Corporation,  Brent Payne and Julie Payne, husband and wife; Shane Krider and Michelle Krider, husband and wife;  Liberty League Holdings LLC, and Arizona Corporation, formerly known as Big Ass Britches Holdings LLC, an Arizona Corporation.

This action is being brought forth on the claims of unlawful and unethical scheme to unlawfully and wrongfully solicit market and sell “personal development” products and seminars to investors in California, throughout the United States and Canada.  The defendants sales practices alleged violate the federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act.   I hope that in some way this is a beginning to extended help to the people of Australia as well.  I am being introduced all the time to more and more people that have been victims as well.

The class action complaint can be seen in its entirety here.  I will post updates as they are available.  I was a little disappointed to not see some other names and conjoined business named but I know this is only a start of what is to come.

Liberty League Hit By Class Action Lawsuit.

The link below includes information, including court house documents, regarding the US class action lawsuit against Liberty League International.

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=45121

If you are an ex Liberty League member, living in or outside of the US,  looking for a way to get justice - so am I and I would love to hear from you.

I am currently in the process of collecting information about a class action lawsuit, like the one above, the only difference would be that the participants will be located in all parts of the world.

If you believe you have been deceived by associates and/or advisors of Liberty League International speak up - it’s the only way you will be heard.


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